[00:00:03] You ever notice how people always talk about winter sadness?
[00:00:10] Gray skies, cold mornings, dark afternoons, that heavy feeling that you can't quite explain.
[00:00:23] But what happens when the sun is shining and you still don't feel okay?
[00:00:33] What happens when everybody around you is posting vacation photos, cookouts, beaches and smiles and inside you feel exhausted, disconnected, anxious, overwhelmed or emotionally numb?
[00:00:59] Tonight, we're talking about all of it.
[00:01:04] Seasonal depression, seasonal affective disorder, the psychological effect of changing seasons.
[00:01:15] And yes, whether or not the summertime blues is actually a real thing.
[00:01:23] Spoiler alert.
[00:01:24] It absolutely can be.
[00:01:28] And if you're struggling right now, quietly, privately, secretly, I need you to hear me clearly.
[00:01:43] You are not weak, you are not broken, and you most certainly are not alone.
[00:02:02] From the natural state. This is Public Facing the Podcast with Joe Holman.
[00:02:13] Welcome in everybody. Thank you for being here.
[00:02:17] Thanks for spending part of your day, your evening, your drive home, your workout, your quiet moment with us.
[00:02:27] May is Mental Health Awareness month, and tonight's episode is deeply important because mental health doesn't care what season it is.
[00:02:40] In fact, mental health issues don't suddenly disappear because the weather changes.
[00:02:48] Sometimes winter hurts.
[00:02:54] Sometimes summer hurts.
[00:02:58] Sometimes spring brings anxiety.
[00:03:03] Sometimes fall brings that loneliness.
[00:03:08] And for millions of people, the changing seasons affect mood, sleep, relationships, appetite and energy levels, plus motivation, and yes, even hope.
[00:03:27] So tonight we're diving deep.
[00:03:30] What talk about seasonal depression, seasonal affective disorder or sad or sad, the science behind sunlight and brain chemistry, why summer can trigger depression for some people, and the myth and truth behind the summertime blues.
[00:03:57] We'll talk about mental hygiene and emotional self care.
[00:04:04] I'll share 10 things that people are doing wrong right now that can worsen their mental health.
[00:04:13] I'll also share 10 things that many of you are already doing right even if if you don't realize it.
[00:04:25] And throughout tonight's show, we'll also be sharing resources because if this episode reaches somebody who feels isolated, hopeless, anxious or overwhelmed and it helps them hold on one more day, well then this episode matters.
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[00:07:11] When most people hear the term seasonal depression, they immediately think about winter, darkness, cold weather, clouds, isolation.
[00:07:29] And yes, for many people, winter months can absolutely trigger depressive symptoms.
[00:07:38] But seasonal depression is bigger than that.
[00:07:43] Seasonal depression is real.
[00:07:46] It is medically recognized, and it affects millions of people.
[00:07:56] Seasonal affective disorder, sad, is a type of depression connected to seasonal changes.
[00:08:05] Most commonly, symptoms begin in late fall and continue through winter.
[00:08:13] But here's the part that people don't always realize.
[00:08:19] You see, there's also a less common version called summer pattern sad.
[00:08:28] Summer pattern sad, meaning some people actually become more depressed during the spring and the summer months.
[00:08:41] And that surprises a lot of folks because culturally, we associate summer with happiness, freedom, vacation, pools, travel, and sunshine.
[00:09:00] But mental health, it doesn't always follow social expectations.
[00:09:07] And that's one of the hardest parts.
[00:09:11] You see, sometimes people suffering during the summer feel even more isolated because everybody around them appears happy.
[00:09:25] You start thinking, why am I struggling right now?
[00:09:30] Or perhaps you're asking, why don't I feel excited?
[00:09:36] Or why am I anxious? When everybody else seems energized and suddenly, boom, guilt enters the picture.
[00:09:50] Now, let's talk biology for a minute.
[00:09:55] You see, your brain, your brain relies heavily on rhythms.
[00:10:01] I'm talking about sleep rhythms, hormonal rhythms, circadian rhythms.
[00:10:08] Exposure to light and sunlight affects serotonin, melatonin, vitamin D production, energy regulation, and even sleep cycles.
[00:10:27] But be forewarned, the too little sunlight can absolutely affect mood.
[00:10:35] But too much heat, disrupted sleep, overstimulation, financial pressure from summer expectations that body image anxiety, social pressure, and schedule disruptions. Yeah, all of that can also affect your mental health.
[00:11:00] Summer depression can include trouble sleeping, anxiety, irritability.
[00:11:10] How about appetite changes, feeling emotionally disconnected, being agitated, restless, isolation, fear of missing out.
[00:11:26] Yeah, that FOMO hitting hard, the increased substance use.
[00:11:35] And for some people, summer can actually intensify loneliness.
[00:11:43] Especially if social media is constantly presenting this image, and it's a false image at that of this image of everybody else having the perfect life.
[00:12:00] Too many filters, yet meanwhile you're sitting at home exhausted emotionally.
[00:12:11] And let me say this clearly.
[00:12:17] Social media has become one of the most powerful amplifiers of seasonal emotional comparison.
[00:12:28] People don't usually post their panic attacks, do they?
[00:12:32] They don't post crying in silence.
[00:12:37] They don't even post depressive episodes.
[00:12:42] No, they post highlights.
[00:12:47] And comparing your behind the scenes reality to somebody else's highlight reel, well, that can absolutely damage mental health.
[00:13:01] So now let's discuss some warning signs.
[00:13:05] If you notice persistent sadness during specific seasons every year, don't ignore that pattern and hang on to that, because that's knowledge.
[00:13:20] If your sleep changes dramatically, if your energy disappears, how about if your motivation collapses, if your relationships begin to suffer, or if hopelessness increases, please talk to somebody.
[00:13:45] A primary care doctor, a therapist, a counselor, a support group, even a trusted friend.
[00:13:57] And for those that do, let's not leave off the talking to a religious leader.
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[00:16:21] All right. Now, the Summertime Blues Myth or reality?
[00:16:27] Well, let's talk about something fascinating.
[00:16:32] The summertime blues made famous by Eddie cochran back in 1958.
[00:16:39] A song about frustration, pressure, work, stress, feeling trapped and feeling misunderstood.
[00:16:53] And while the Song had energy and attitude.
[00:16:57] Underneath it was something emotionally honest.
[00:17:03] Stress doesn't disappear because it's summer.
[00:17:08] In fact, for many adults, summer can become more stressful.
[00:17:15] The kids are out of school, financial pressures, travel expenses, relationship expectations, social pressure, the body image pressure, work schedule disruptions, heat exhaustion and sleep disruption.
[00:17:39] And psychologically, there's another layer.
[00:17:46] See, summer carries expectations.
[00:17:50] You're supposed to feel happy, you're supposed to be be outside, you're supposed to be energetic.
[00:18:05] And when your internal emotional state doesn't match the cultural expectation.
[00:18:13] Yeah, that shame creeps on in.
[00:18:17] And then people begin asking themselves, what's wrong with me?
[00:18:23] That question alone can become emotionally dangerous.
[00:18:30] Because now you see, depression is being paired with self judgment.
[00:18:39] Now here's the important truth to this. There is such a thing as summertime depression.
[00:18:49] Yes? Yeah. Research has shown that some people experience depressive symptoms tied specifically to summer months.
[00:19:00] Heat can affect your sleep.
[00:19:04] Poor sleep affects emotional regulation.
[00:19:09] Longer daylight hours can disrupt melatonin production.
[00:19:15] And the high temperatures, well, they can increase irritability and emotional fatigue.
[00:19:24] And for people already struggling with anxiety disorders or mood disorders, summer overstimulation can become exhausting.
[00:19:39] Now let me be clear.
[00:19:41] Enjoying summer is wonderful. That's great.
[00:19:45] This episode is not anti summer.
[00:19:50] See, this episode is about understanding that mental health is complex.
[00:19:58] And understanding that complexity creates compassion.
[00:20:05] So now here's something else worth discussing.
[00:20:11] Loneliness can become louder during summer.
[00:20:18] Let me tell you why. Because isolation, it feels amplified when the world appears socially active.
[00:20:28] This can lead to increased depression, increased drinking, increased substance use.
[00:20:38] How about relationship conflict, an emotional shutdown.
[00:20:46] And we can't forget withdrawal.
[00:20:51] And see this, this is where emotional honesty matters.
[00:20:58] You do not have to perform happiness.
[00:21:04] You do not owe the world a fake smile.
[00:21:11] In fact, you should never feel guilty for needing support.
[00:21:19] Now, can the summertime blues be treated?
[00:21:26] Well, the quick answer to that is absolutely.
[00:21:31] But treatment isn't one size fits all.
[00:21:36] Now, for some people, therapy helps.
[00:21:41] Better. Sleep helps.
[00:21:44] Exercise helps.
[00:21:48] Reducing social comparison helps.
[00:21:53] How about limiting alcohol?
[00:21:56] That helps.
[00:21:59] Structured routines help.
[00:22:04] Medication helps.
[00:22:07] Support groups also help.
[00:22:12] Sunlight, moderation, that helps too.
[00:22:16] And finally, hydration helps. Yeah, getting that, that good water and the electrolytes into you, the summer heat and whatnot, that'll take it right out of you.
[00:22:30] And sometimes simply admitting I'm not okay right now, well, that becomes the first step towards healing.
[00:22:44] And that's powerful.
[00:22:46] That's courage, not weakness. No.
[00:22:53] Now let's really examine something interesting.
[00:22:59] How the sun helps and hurts.
[00:23:03] I know it sounds crazy. It sounds like it's a Lot.
[00:23:08] But let's really examine that something interesting.
[00:23:13] How exactly does the sun affect mental health?
[00:23:18] Because we hear conflicting ideas all the time.
[00:23:23] Get more sunlight, touch grass, go outside, play in the dirt.
[00:23:29] And honestly, sometimes that advice is, is helpful.
[00:23:36] Sunlight can increase serotonin activity.
[00:23:42] Serotonin affects mood stability.
[00:23:46] Sunlight also supports vitamin D production, which can influence mood and energy.
[00:23:55] Now, many people genuinely feel emotionally better with moderate sunlight exposure.
[00:24:06] Nature itself, well, that can also regulate stress.
[00:24:11] Now studies have shown that outdoor activity can actually lower stress hormones, reduce anxiety, which will improve your mood and which will improve your sleep.
[00:24:28] But, and this matters right here.
[00:24:32] But balance is critical.
[00:24:38] Extreme heat that can worsen emotional stress.
[00:24:44] Sleep disruption from long daylight hours can intensify anxiety and depression.
[00:24:53] Dehydration affects mood, irritability, fatigue, even your concentration.
[00:25:03] And there's another side that people rarely discuss.
[00:25:09] You see, for some individuals, excessive sunlight exposure increases agitation and restlessness, emotional overstimulation.
[00:25:24] This is especially true for people that are dealing with bipolar disorder or anxiety disorders, PTSD or even sensory overload.
[00:25:39] So now let's, let's talk about routines.
[00:25:45] You see, mental health often improves when routines stabilize and seasonal changes. They disrupt routines constantly.
[00:25:59] Things like school schedule changes or work schedule changes, sleep schedule changes, increased traveling, social obligations increase.
[00:26:15] And suddenly your nervous system is trying to adapt to chaos.
[00:26:24] So one of the healthiest things you can do during seasonal transitions is maintain emotional anchors.
[00:26:35] Things like consistent sleep times, go to bed at the same time every night, hydration, like I said before, keeping up with the good old H2O and things with electrolytes in it such as Gatorade or of the sort. There's plenty of options out there.
[00:27:02] How about healthy meals, reduced doom scrolling.
[00:27:09] How about physical movement and time outside in moderation and intentional quiet time, therapy appointments, journaling, spiritual grounding, supportive relationships.
[00:27:31] Now, mental health hygiene matters.
[00:27:34] Absolutely.
[00:27:35] And I love that phrase, mental hygiene because we understand physical hygiene automatically. Brush your teeth, wash your hands, take care of your body.
[00:27:52] But emotional hygiene?
[00:27:54] Yeah, well that matters too.
[00:27:57] What are you feeding your mind every day?
[00:28:02] Constant outrage, fear, social comparison, toxic relationships, 24 hour negativity?
[00:28:17] Or are you giving your brain rest, peace, encouragement, connection, purpose?
[00:28:32] Mental health management is not just crisis response, it's daily maintenance.
[00:28:41] And that's a conversation society still struggles to normalize.
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[00:30:06] Now with everything that you have going for you. If you're in this spot where the seasonal, the seasonal affective disorder is, is or even the, the seasonal depression is kind of coming up full swing, I want to share with you 10 things that you're currently probably doing wrong.
[00:30:37] And because I love balance, I'm going to give you 10 things that you're doing right and you may not even know you're doing it.
[00:30:49] Okay, so let's get practical.
[00:30:52] Now this next section is about everyday mental health habits.
[00:30:58] It's not perfection, it's not judgment, it's not. It's just awareness.
[00:31:06] Because small habits matter more than people realize.
[00:31:11] So first, 10 things you may be doing wrong right now.
[00:31:17] Number one, doom scrolling before bed.
[00:31:22] Your brain needs decompression before sleep. And that constant negativity fuels anxiety.
[00:31:30] Number two, treating exhaustion like laziness.
[00:31:37] Folks, sometimes your body and your mind are overloaded.
[00:31:43] Rest is not failure.
[00:31:47] You don't get a demerit for getting rest. If anything, I would give you a positive in that area.
[00:31:59] Number three, ignoring hydration.
[00:32:03] Now dehydration affects mood and focus and irritability.
[00:32:12] So let's keep hydrated.
[00:32:15] Number four, comparing yourself to social media.
[00:32:21] You're comparing reality to performance and that's emotionally dangerous.
[00:32:33] Keep in mind that the majority of what's going on out there, and that's the large majority that's going on out there, are people that are showing only what they want you to see.
[00:32:48] And everything's under a filter. Nothing is given at face value. It seems.
[00:32:54] So again, when you're comparing reality, make sure that you realize that if it's not reality, it's a performance.
[00:33:07] And that again is emotionally dangerous.
[00:33:12] Number five, sleeping inconsistently.
[00:33:17] Your brain, it loves rhythm.
[00:33:21] Protect your sleep.
[00:33:25] Number six, self isolating too often.
[00:33:31] That's right, isolation feeds depression.
[00:33:37] Connection matters when you're connecting. It's like having somebody like Taylor Tomlinson said about the floaties.
[00:33:49] I don't have the exact quote in front of me but it comes down to using the floaties. And if you're not using the floaties and you're feeding that depression now, you're making your problem into everybody's problem and that's not necessarily a proven positive way to get the assistance you need, that sort of thing.
[00:34:22] So connection matters.
[00:34:25] Now, number seven, using alcohol as emotional medication, folks, believe you me, temporary numbing is not healing.
[00:34:43] Number eight, speaking to yourself cruelly. Now this one's interesting because your internal dialogue, it matters.
[00:34:55] What are you telling yourself during the day?
[00:35:01] What are you telling yourself in front of the mirror?
[00:35:06] What are the things that kind of rattle around in your brain over and over again that have either been said about you or said to you?
[00:35:20] We got to clean that up.
[00:35:23] Because again, speaking to yourself cruelly, that dialogue matters. Let's swap out all that negativity for some positivity.
[00:35:36] Number nine, constant overstimulation, noise screens, notifications.
[00:35:46] Yeah, your nervous system needs quiet.
[00:35:54] Number 10, waiting until crisis to seek help.
[00:36:02] Now, mental health support should not begin only after collapse.
[00:36:09] No, let's balance this because many of you, my favorite listener, are doing better than you think.
[00:36:22] So don't wait until the house is on fire to reach out for help.
[00:36:30] When you smell smoke, that's when you reach out for help because you don't know how quickly that situation is going to go up in in smoke and flame.
[00:36:45] Now, we just went over 10 things that you're doing wrong.
[00:36:49] So now let's go over 10 things that you're doing right even if you didn't realize it.
[00:36:58] Number one, you got out of bed today.
[00:37:02] Yeah, that counts.
[00:37:05] You participated in life today.
[00:37:09] Number two, you listened to this episode.
[00:37:15] Seeking information is healthy.
[00:37:19] And besides, you're my favorite listener.
[00:37:23] Number three, you checked on somebody recently.
[00:37:29] That connection, that matters. And it matters more than you know because we never know to where what extent. We think we're just doing a drop in the bucket checking on somebody, but that might have made all the difference in the world to that person.
[00:37:45] So kudos on that.
[00:37:48] Number four, you kept going during a difficult season.
[00:37:54] Again, that matters.
[00:37:59] Number five, you've survived hard days already.
[00:38:06] Never, ever forget that.
[00:38:12] That right there is both knowledge and experience.
[00:38:21] Number six, you've learned boundaries.
[00:38:26] You see, protecting peace is healthy.
[00:38:31] Peace is a a great value of commodity. And we must do whatever we can and by whatever means necessary to protect that.
[00:38:44] Because there the thief is out there somewhere and his sole purpose is to steal, kill your peace and your joy.
[00:39:00] Number seven, you started saying no more often.
[00:39:06] Now, that can be emotional growth and a no is all you have to say.
[00:39:15] This does not require an explanation.
[00:39:20] No means no.
[00:39:23] And that's a whole sentence right there.
[00:39:26] No.
[00:39:30] You recognize your emotions more clearly now that self awareness matters because now you know what to look for.
[00:39:41] And when you know what to look for, then you're in a better position to know what to do when you find find it.
[00:39:51] Now, number nine, you've asked for help before.
[00:39:57] That is a strength.
[00:39:59] See, even before you knew to ask for help.
[00:40:05] And because you asked for help, then you have that experience to know even better when another situation arises and you need help again, that you know what it takes to reach out and ask for help again.
[00:40:22] And that's awesome.
[00:40:25] And finally, number 10, you're still here.
[00:40:31] And that matters more than you can know.
[00:40:35] Now, let's talk mental hygiene techniques, shall we?
[00:40:41] Now, these are not magic cures by any means, but they are powerful maintenance tools.
[00:40:49] Some positive mental hygiene techniques, daily walks without your phone, journaling emotions. Honestly, therapy or counseling, structured sleep schedules.
[00:41:13] Music therapy. Music is wonderfully therapeutic for it helps to help you unwind. It helps you to get energized.
[00:41:27] It can also have a calming, a peaceful effect.
[00:41:35] So, well, how about meditation or prayer?
[00:41:42] Reduced caffeine intake.
[00:41:46] How about deep breathing exercises?
[00:41:51] Spending time in nature, Limiting to toxic environments, Practicing gratitude. Realistically building healthy friendships, reducing shame around emotions.
[00:42:16] And I want to say something here directly to men for a moment.
[00:42:24] Men, are you listening?
[00:42:27] Men are often taught to suppress emotion, to man up, to stay silent, to hide, struggle and don't cry that silence has cost lives.
[00:42:50] Depression is not weakness.
[00:42:53] Anxiety is not weakness.
[00:42:59] Seeking help again is not weakness.
[00:43:06] You see, talking.
[00:43:08] Talking saves lives.
[00:43:10] And the same goes for every other person listening right now.
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[00:43:20] You deserve healing.
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[00:45:36] And that brings us to the final word.
[00:45:41] This is the section where I kind of give a summation as to what we went over.
[00:45:49] Now tonight we talked about seasonal depression, that seasonal affective disorder, the emotional complexity of changing seasons, and the truth behind the summertime blues.
[00:46:08] And maybe the biggest takeaway tonight is this.
[00:46:15] Mental health is not always visible.
[00:46:22] Some people smile publicly while suffering privately.
[00:46:29] Some people look successful while battling anxiety.
[00:46:36] Some people appear energetic while emotionally exhausted.
[00:46:43] And because of that, compassion matters.
[00:46:51] Folks, check on your friends, check on your family, and don't forget to check on yourself.
[00:47:01] And remember, healing is rarely instantaneous.
[00:47:09] Sometimes healing looks dramatic, Sometimes healing actually looks pretty quiet.
[00:47:19] And sometimes healing well. It's simply making it through one more difficult day.
[00:47:27] And believe you me, that counts too.
[00:47:31] Now if you're listening tonight and you're struggling emotionally, please hear me clearly.
[00:47:41] There is no shame in asking for help.
[00:47:46] None.
[00:47:49] If you're in Crisis, call or text 988.
[00:47:56] Support is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
[00:48:00] And for everyone else listening, my favorite listeners, thank you.
[00:48:06] Thank you for spending time with us.
[00:48:10] Thank you for caring about mental health.
[00:48:15] Thank you for helping to normalize these conversations.
[00:48:22] Because conversations, they save lives and topics like these, well, they should always be public facing.
[00:48:33] And before we go tonight, remember this, you are not alone.
[00:48:41] Help is available and just a call, text or conversation away.
[00:48:48] I want to thank NAMI, the National alliance on Mental Illness, the Crisis Hotline, BetterHelp and SAMHSA, and my captive audience, including you, my favorite listener, for participating.
[00:49:09] If any of tonight's information has caused you to take notice or consider making a change in your life or even to do a self inventory and checkup. And then you've realized that something has caused you to pause and evaluate some aspect of your routine or your life and may now consider acting on those and begin to bring change to your life.
[00:49:48] My favorite listener, I'm grateful to be a part of that change.
[00:49:55] Would you take another actionable step? If you're open, drop me a confidential and private email.
[00:50:08] I won't send you out anything. I may just respond back.
[00:50:13] But you know you're not going on any mailing list or anything like that.
[00:50:18] Would you consider dropping me a confidential and private email at.
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