[00:00:06] Speaker A: Previously on Public Facing the podcast.
[00:00:11] Speaker B: What is a service animal?
And what is an emotional support animal?
See, those sound like similar terms.
I mean, they both involve animals helping people.
They both may be associated with a disability.
They may even be the same breed of dog.
[00:00:40] Speaker A: But legally.
[00:00:42] Speaker B: Legally, yeah. They're two very different things.
And it's that distinction, that's where nearly all of today's confusion begins.
[00:01:04] Speaker C: From the natural state. This is Public Facing the Podcast with Joe Holman.
[00:01:16] Speaker A: Hello and thanks for joining us. I'm Joe Holman.
In our part one of this series, we established something that surprises many people.
A service animal and an emotional support animal can both improve someone's quality of life.
But under federal law, they're treated very differently.
Now comes the practical question.
Where can each one legally go?
The answer depends entirely on which law applies.
You see, that's where many well intentioned people become confused.
See, different federal laws govern different places.
The Americans with Disabilities act or the ADA primarily governs public access.
The Fair Housing act, well, that addresses housing.
The Department of Transportation regulates commercial air travel.
And each one has its own standards.
So let's begin with the place that most of us visit every week.
Public businesses.
Think about the places that you visit during an ordinary day.
Grocery store, the pharmacy, a restaurant.
How about your doctor's office?
Or a shopping mall, A hotel, a movie theater, even a bank.
See, under the ada, these businesses generally must allow a trained service animal to accompany its handler in anywhere members of the public are permitted to go.
The guiding principle is simple. If the public is allowed there, the service animal generally is too, unless a narrow exception applies.
So notice something important here. The ADA protects the person and not the the dog.
The service animal is viewed as an accommodation that enables a person with a disability to participate in everyday life.
It's not receiving special privileges.
It's enabling equal access.
So here's one of the most misunderstood parts of the ada. This is where it comes up to two questions that everyone should know.
So here's one of the most misunderstood parts of the ada.
Many people believe a business can't ask any questions. That's not quite true.
If it isn't obvious that the dog is a service animal, employees may ask only two questions.
First, is the dog a service animal required because of a disability?
Second, what work or task has the dog been trained to perform?
That's it.
Employees may not ask someone to identify their disability.
They may not request medical records.
They may not require certification papers.
They may not insist on seeing an identification card.
If you tuned in last week, you May have heard that when I shared that there is no federally mandated section to register an animal.
There is no federally regulated area that requires a vest or even an identification card. That's why I bring this up now. They cannot demand that the dog demonstrate its trained task on the spot.
See, this often surprises business owners.
Many have heard about service dog registration.
Others have seen impressive looking certificates online.
But under the ada, none of those documents are required.
In fact, someone carrying a laminated certificate, well, they have no greater legal standing than someone carrying none at all.
And the determining factor is in fact the dog's training, not some piece of paperwork.
So can a business ever say no?
Well, the ADA is often misunderstood as requiring businesses to admit every service animal under every circumstance. But that's not accurate.
There are limited situations where a business may legally require a service animal to leave, for example, if the dog is, say, out of control and the handler cannot regain control of that dog, or if the dog is not housebroken.
Those aren't judgments about the person's disability, their judgments about the animal's behavior.
A calm task trained service dog lying quietly under a restaurant table is doing exactly what it's trained to do.
But a dog that's barking continuously, lunging at customers, or running freely through the store, well, that, my friend, presents a different situation.
The ADA protects access.
It does not excuse disruptive behavior.
And there's another point that's often underlooked.
If a service animal must be removed because of its behavior, the business should still offer the individual the opportunity to receive goods or services without the animal when reasonably possible.
So the focus remains on serving the person while maintaining a safe environment.
Now, a lot of people might ask, well, after all this, where do emotional support animals fit?
All right, so now let's turn to emotional support animals.
Suppose someone has a legitimate ESA letter from a licensed mental health professional.
That ESA is for emotional support animal.
Can they bring that animal into a grocery store?
What about a movie theater or clothing store, or even a restaurant?
The answer is generally no.
The ADA does not grant public access rights to emotional support animals simply because they provide comfort or emotional well being.
No, the law distinguishes but between comfort through presence and trained work or tasks performed because of a disability.
It's that distinction. And that distinction can be difficult for people to understand because emotional support can be profoundly important.
But from a legal perspective, it seems that importance alone isn't the standard. No task specific training is.
Now, as a result, businesses that are covered by the ADA may generally treat ESAs the same way they treat pets, unless Another law applies.
Now, housing is different, and if we're being open, it's evolving.
Now here's where things become more nuanced.
See, housing follows a different legal framework.
The Fair Housing act uses the broader concept of an assistance animal. And HUD has long recognized that this category can include animals providing emotional support that alleviates symptoms of a disability, not just task trained service animals.
Housing providers may be required to make reasonable accommodations when the legal standards are met.
However, this, this is also one of the fastest changing areas of federal policy.
You see, over the past year, HUD has withdrawn earlier guidance documents and changed aspects of its enforcement approach.
And at the same time, the Fair Housing act itself has not been amended by Congress.
And HUD has announced that it is considering future rulemaking that could further clarify or change how assistance animal requests are evaluated.
That means that my favorite listener, you may encounter conflicting information online.
And so some sources, well, they describe long standing housing guidance, others describe recent enforcement changes, and still others discuss proposed future regulations.
Now, throughout this episode, we've been going to, you know, distinguish between the law itself, agency guidance, and evolving enforcement policy because those aren't always the same thing.
So as we move through this series in upcoming episodes, there will be more clarity to this. But I want to give you enough information that's bite sized that you can digest and not drown you in, you know, a sea of words and non specifics. Okay?
So I want to tell you this is why all of this matters. I'm going to kind of tie it up here.
Understanding that these distinctions aren't just about avoiding an awkward conversation at the grocery store.
It's about protecting civil rights.
Businesses deserve to know what they're legally allowed to ask.
Landlords deserve to understand their responsibilities.
And individuals with disabilities, well, they deserve to know the rights that the law actually provides, not the myths so circulating around on social media.
When those lines become blurred, everyone loses every single one.
So people with legitimate service animals, they face increased skepticism.
Businesses, they, they make avoidable mistakes.
And individuals who genuinely need assistance and need assistance animals, well, they can find themselves caught in an unnecessary conflict.
The law works best when everyone understands where those lines are drawn.
And for a fact check, under the Americans with Disability act, there is no federally required registration, certification or identification card for service animals.
A dog's legal status depends on its training to perform disability related work, not on some piece of paper that was purchased online.
Businesses want to close with this. Businesses may only ask two questions when a service animal's purpose is not obvious.
Now, in our next episode, we're going to explore one of the most controversial developments of the past several years and that is why airlines stopped recognizing emotional support animals, why psychiatric service dogs have become increasingly common, and how housing requests are documented, and finally, how fraudulent online certifications have complicated an already confusing legal landscape.
So take to heart that they can only ask two questions when it comes to businesses, and these businesses are in public where one would hope that we that we all would have access to.
Remember, the service dog is the dog that is not a pet.
It is a trained service animal that is able to carry out tasks for its owner and that is to ease
[00:16:38] Speaker B: the
[00:16:41] Speaker A: issues that would that would normally be on that person with a disability in the first place.
So that animal is trained to serve that owner, that person with the disability, with tasks for it. Now, whether that's that it picks up certain things, I don't want to get into all of that. But there are clear tasks that each of these service animals are able to perform because they've been trained.
Whereas an emotional support animal, generally speaking, has no training.
It is just by its presence providing a a support to the emotional well being of that owner.
Until next time, I hope that this has been beneficial to you. We're going to do more of this. We've got just a couple of episodes left in our series.
Until next time, stay positive, come back to us, come visit us for the final episodes in this series and we'll see you then.
For Public Facing the Podcast, I'm Joe Holman and we will see you next time.
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